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*laughter* As [livejournal.com profile] 2metaldog and [livejournal.com profile] r0ck3tsci3ntist have gently reminded me without... well... reminding me in particular, my recent wave of fandom friends have been really, really interesting, varied, and fun to get to know. I appreciate them all quite a lot, and they've been the most active in supporting me in this new obsession I have with writing fan fiction.

Writing is so much harder than the decades of technical stuff I've done. With technical stuff, usually I know when something is going to work or not work according to some criterion. Even when the criterion, itself, is really hard to get and can, pretty much, never be gotten completely right as someone always comes up with some new, crazy idea on how they want to use it; it's at least a good measurement before I actually make the thing and give it to someone.

With writing, I can never be sure if it's going to work until someone says, "Wow... I got that."

I love my Twin Souls beta [livejournal.com profile] incandescens and my other betas [livejournal.com profile] mysocalledhell, [livejournal.com profile] stark_black, and [livejournal.com profile] calmingeffects for giving me that initial push of, yeah, that'll work... thank you, so much.



I know I'm going to miss someone, and I'll be sad about that. But it seems good to at least try, given that I went ahead and did that other list of close friends and probably missed someone with that, too. I'll try it chronologically, too to give it a little structure.

It started with [livejournal.com profile] incandescens and [livejournal.com profile] amberley and [livejournal.com profile] shaterri all sending me tons of anime. Mostly, ironically enough, with [livejournal.com profile] amberley, even though he never actually reads any fanfiction at all. [livejournal.com profile] incandescens introduced me to Bleach years and years ago by sending me the first book of the manga. [livejournal.com profile] amberley, on the other hand, started shipping me boxes and boxes and boxes of manga and anime and when he went to Japan, brought me back stuff as well. He got me into Right Stuf soon after I retired, and I also bought boxes and boxes of stuff.

Hm. Maybe I should say it really started back in the Chatsubo, but that might be going too far.

Anyway... I still remember a conversation with [livejournal.com profile] amberley and [livejournal.com profile] flit about this "slash" stuff and we were giggling a lot over some pairing in an ice fishing shack; and it amuses me, far too much, that nearly seven years later I'm now one of those...

From the boxes and boxes of stuff, along with playing video games with Jet (specifically Kingdom Hearts II) and looking stuff up for the game, I ran across more of this fan fiction stuff and started getting intrigued. Plus, watching four or five episodes of Bleach every single day finally started bleeding into my dreams. Dreams were the start of all my fiction in November of 2007, so it seemed natural to want to write from them.

After a long conversation with [livejournal.com profile] incandescens and two or three small things that she encouraged and probably asked other people to read, I started Twin Souls. I'd done a lot of "starts" last November with my own novel ideas, and I couldn't quite bring myself to actually write them out. I wanted something... easier to start. Something where I could exercise all the things I knew I'd have to be able to exercise in plot, character, research, and depth of world building and description that I really wanted to pursue for the long term. I trust [livejournal.com profile] incandescens's knowledge of Bleach and her practiced skill with using English really effectively, and she's been wonderful through the writing of what's turning into an epic. I thought it was only going to be eight chapters, at most, when I started. It's now at 20 and still rolling.

[livejournal.com profile] rasetsunyo I found through [livejournal.com profile] incandescens, and it's fun to admire her art while she admires my writing and we both have our own strengths. She's taught me more about how to just have fun with this stuff.

Twin Souls brought me [livejournal.com profile] calmingeffects and [livejournal.com profile] shadowgirl1605. [livejournal.com profile] bellumina and [livejournal.com profile] mysocalledhell got dragged in through [livejournal.com profile] shadowgirl1605's speed-ficcing. That was insane to me, to try and write that quickly. April's disappeared for the summer, but all the others are now good, solid companions on IM whom I depend on in different ways. I've learned a lot from them and learned a lot about them, and, I hope I've returned some of that value. They, along with [livejournal.com profile] incandescens, really initiated me into the methods, nomenclature, and how fan fiction works and spreads on livejournal.

By actually reading [livejournal.com profile] kurosaki_clinic on a regular basis, I found [livejournal.com profile] letmyself_go and had fun commissioning both the Jyuushiro that is now this entry's icon and a Zoot suit version of the two Captains. I still drool at nearly everything she does.

Twin Souls also attracted [livejournal.com profile] zangetsugirl, whom was very patient with me when I started asking detailed questions about what shikai really meant. Her comments on my fiction always make it obvious she *gets* so much of what I put in it that it amazes me. That always gives me the incentive to keep putting everything I can into each chapter. It's been fun talking with her about other things, and reading the other fandoms she writes for, especially her very character and plot driven fics for Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers.

[livejournal.com profile] calmingeffects then introduced me to the works of [livejournal.com profile] stark_black. And I read all of her stuff nearly obsessively, commenting on every chapter of "I Come to You in Pieces" in one night.; and then diving into her fic that wasn't even related to fandoms I knew nothing about. I think it was the combination of being able to do really complex, powerful emotional work along with clean, clear action and a solid plot that carried readers along that really attracted me. Admittedly, the fact that she was so successful in pulling readers in really made me want to understand how that works, too. I pretty much stalked her, her email box, commented on every entry, and then nearly died she asked me to beta "Memories" even though I knew next to nothing about One Piece.

[livejournal.com profile] calmingeffects also introduced me to the works of [livejournal.com profile] 2metaldog, I'll admit I started just with the Ukitake/Byakuya heavy bdsm fics because I'd been thinking of something along the same lines for... well... forever, but hadn't had the courage to write them down. Hers were there and perfect. And she shared a lot of other interests that I have, and that was really cool. She's a really interesting person and it's fun to share perspectives on things that we both have done. I read through all her Saiyuki fics in a week as technically they were excellent. They were also really hot and I loved her characterizations of those beautiful boys. I commented as I went and I think the comments have started a really cool friendship. But her work, along with [livejournal.com profile] calmingeffects's constant encouragement and support, gave me enough courage for me to start writing my Ukitake-bdsm fics.

On seeing those [livejournal.com profile] stark_black stunned me by asking me to write with her. Giving Grace was the breathless result of that. I'm still... bemused to find that I now have such a creative, intense, and supportive relationship with her, now that I... it still leaves me speechless sometimes. Thank you for sharing.

[livejournal.com profile] stark_black was the one that introduced me to Y!Gallery, and that's where [livejournal.com profile] r0ck3tsci3ntist found Twin Souls. And that friendship, though relatively new, has come up with hundreds of fun parallels, shared attitudes and interests, and it's going to be a lot of fun to explore that. That she loves my writing always amazes me when I love her art so very much.

There are also dozens of people here, fanfiction.net, and from Y!Gallery that I'm starting to get to know a bit better, like [livejournal.com profile] ginnyvos, [livejournal.com profile] ai_ici_lover, and [livejournal.com profile] nikita_cheri111. And there are probably still more threads and tendrils going out from all that that will bring me more friendships in the future. That amazes me.

Especially since I've so rarely had solid relationships with women other than the technical ones I've always known, this is all entirely new territory for me. Thank you all for making it so much fun. :-)

Date: 2008-06-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginnyvos.livejournal.com
*smiles* Fandom really is a beautiful thing that way, isn't it? A lot of people scoff on it or really don't get it but... There are all these beautiful people, expressing themselves, their feelings, their creativity through writing fiction and reading that of others. They than start talking and figure out that they are really very much alike, or very different but... They always have this one thing in common; a love for a story, for characters, for creativity and for expressing all that in the same way.
Fandom has brought me some of the best friends I have, and I'm eternally glad for that.

I didn't know you read Saiyuki stuff as well? ^^ *is a total Saiyuki addict*

Date: 2008-06-19 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
It is utterly amazing how it's working. I'm still... astonished by that, as I wasn't expecting that at all. I started by just being focused on "I have to *write* something" and then this avalanche of stuff followed.

I only read a little Saiyuki stuff... haven't actually delved into the comms, yet. I went through all of incandescens' and 2metaldog's, but I'm kind of oddly picky about them.

Terrifyingly enough, though I have a Saiyuki FIC due TOMORROW that I haven't finished yet, for [livejournal.com profile] springkink. Speaking of which... I need to post something there today, too.

Date: 2008-06-19 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginnyvos.livejournal.com
*nods* It's amazing. It really is...

Did you read the manga? Or watch the anime? I love Saiyuki, but sadly as a writer, I'm not all that good so I only seem to produce drabbles.

Auch... Good luck on getting that written!

Date: 2008-06-19 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] incandescens sent me the anime... all in one pretty box with lots of blood splatters, high cheekbones, and gorgeous stylish costumes all over it. *laughter*

It was lust at first sight. And the first chunk of episodes were really fun.

I actually haven't even gotten through all of the first series, yet. The translation on that particular boxed set went out of synch for most of the second half of the series. I should get something better, but I just watched even without understanding, for quite some time after that.

Thanks for the luck! Hee.

Date: 2008-06-19 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginnyvos.livejournal.com
Heh you might want to try downloading the manga online... The art is completely gorgeous (especially after say... The second volume) and way better than in the anime. I have also let people tell me that the plot and characterisation are better... But than, I am a complete manga geek and I think the only anime I've found that is better than the manga is naruto, and there I honestly don't like either. So yes. Complete manga-geek ^^;;;
(But than I love books better than movies and tv too, so it might actually have to do with the form :P)

Date: 2008-06-20 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Mmm... I often like the manga better as well, if only because it's so much faster than watching anime. I can get the story in great gulps.

Yay! I'll have to try that out! But then I might start having to draw out of the books or something. Oops...

Date: 2008-06-19 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calmingeffects.livejournal.com
I had no Idea it was me that showed you Stark! LOL...it makes sense I love her stuff so much but I hadn't realized! FF can be such a great community and I am so glad that you are a part of it with me! *sends hugs and kisses and love your way*
Edited Date: 2008-06-19 07:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-06-19 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
You did!! Your fault!! *laughter*

*hugs and kisses* Thank you, so much, for all your support and friendship and love and being around for me. It helps, immensely.

Yeah... it amazes me how the community works. And I hadn't expected any of it, really.

Date: 2008-06-19 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2metaldog.livejournal.com
Thank you for your kind words. I really enjoyed the piece you did with Stark (as I'm sure you know from my comments). I have been sporadically reading Twin Souls and I know it's completely my bad that I haven't commented. I need to sit my ass down and actually read them from the beginning before I can comment fairly *embarrassed blush*.

I'm really pleased that you've enjoyed my work. I'm also really pleased that we've managed to strike up a friendship and discovered many common interests. It's really cool how one interesting thing can lead to so many others.

Date: 2008-06-19 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
*giggles* When you can and want to, it would be really cool to see what you think of that story. I'm now mildly embarrassed by the first couple of chapters, but... that's to be expected. I do love that with this serial method of publishing I really have a lot less incentive to go back and edit the first stuff like mad instead of moving ahead with the writing of it.

Yay! You definitely gave me a lot with your writing. Not just the pleasure of reading it, but I have learned and am still learning a lot from how you structure, write, and choose to depict the characters. I get inspired by a lot of your stuff. Thank you.

And, yeah, it is *really* cool how one interesting thing can lead to so many others.

Date: 2008-06-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2metaldog.livejournal.com
I do intend to read it. I'm sure you know I like both Ukitake and Shunsui and there soooooo needs to be more background on them (and the fact that they're the only ones with double zanpaktou).

The urge to screw with something endlessly is very hard to resist when you don't post it by chapter. A case of... "I'll just tweak this" which leads to... "I have to change that" *snicker*.

I'm always surprised when people say they get a lot out of what I write in a technical sense. Surprised and very flattered. I'm really happy that I can inspire you in some small way.

Date: 2008-06-19 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] incandescens
You know, I might have pointed a couple of people at your stuff and said, "You really ought to read this!" But anything they said or did after that was entirely due to your writing.

(hugs) En avant!

Date: 2008-06-19 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
(hugs warmly)

*blush* Thank you for saying so. And thank you for getting me started.

Date: 2008-06-19 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellumina.livejournal.com
X3 Aww, I got a mention.

But yeah, it's been great meeting you and -- well, everyone, honestly -- writing with you and everything. ♥ Fandom's a really good place, if only because you finally get to meet people who have a LOT of the same interests as you -- and you almost always get to learn a lot more, and find new interests that you like just as much or more than your old ones.

Date: 2008-06-19 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Totally. *laughs* You are so patient with my questions about what does *that* mean? *grin* And it has been really fun reading your Black Angels. I love them.

Yeah, I guess I'm learning that fandom can be really nice. And there are enough of the same interests to start that it's a great place to start learning about someone.

Date: 2008-06-20 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellumina.livejournal.com
XDDD. I'm glaaad someone likes them. <3 It means a lot.

Fandom can be awesome, but of course, there is the wank, the hate memes -- but in the end, the internet is the internet. X3

Date: 2008-06-20 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Yeah and there's no drama like Internet Drama. XDD

Thanks!!

Date: 2008-06-19 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stark-black.livejournal.com
*scratches nose in embarrassment*

Gah, I didn't need a shout out. You tell me all the time in email and chat you like my stuffs. It's cool though to know I introduced you to y!gallery. So many pretty pictures to cycle through there. x)

Date: 2008-06-19 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
*laughter* ♥

Well, I needed to do it. Yeah! You introduced me to lots of cool stuff. Naruto, One Piece, and got me to finally *read* all of the Bleach chapters. So thank you, so much.

Date: 2008-06-20 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Hmm... and I didn't just like your stuffs, I loved it, studied it, worked with the structures and nuances of it, really looked through how and what you used to make it work and really enjoyed it as well.

Date: 2008-06-19 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysocalledhell.livejournal.com
*dances* I made it above the cut (why, yes, I am a dork *grins*)
*hugs* thanx for the shout-out ... might just be enough motivation to go finish Chad & Nova.

Date: 2008-06-19 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
*laughter* I'm glad that I could make you happy! And help motivate more fun writing. *laughter* I'm really looking forward to that one.

Date: 2008-06-20 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com
Late comer to the party as always. ^______^

I can't tell you how pleased I am to have discovered Twin Souls as well as yourself on Y! - frankly, the last place I expected to meet a kindred soul, which I've come think of you as, since it seems we've read all the same childhood stories (also, I'm fond of run-on sentences and employ poor comma usage, unlike you).

Your prose creates pictures in my mind and it makes me so happy that you're willing to indulge my impulsive desire to render them into reality.

Thank you.

Date: 2008-06-20 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
*giggles far too much*

You're usually first to comment on my fics, though! So not always the late comer. *grin*

You should ask [livejournal.com profile] incandecens about my bad usage of commas. I think she weeds them out of nearly every chapter, or puts in the ones that are necessary to make a phrase stand out better. I am starting to catch the knack of it, but I still shake my head sometimes at what I miss.

Yeah, I certainly wasn't expecting someone like you on Y! *grin* It's so cool, though, that we can share all that AND all the other stuff. It's so much fun.

I'm glad that my prose gives you that! And your renderings have started to trigger stuff in my dreams, which will probably flow right into my stories as well. It's really neat.

You're so very welcome!!

Date: 2008-06-23 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah... I also wanted to say that you're not really that late to the party... I've only been writing for less than five months... so I've not really been at this for very long. *grin*

Date: 2008-06-20 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
And I forgot to mention all the lovely links you gave me to all kinds of inspiration as well. And how you kick off lots of buried Asian things I'd forgotten about. The poetry site is just... astonishing.

Thank you!! :-)

And I haven't forgotten about incorporating that fireworks fanart you did of the Academy boys. It's just taking me far longer than I thought to get there. Hee.

Date: 2008-06-20 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com
The pleasure is all mine! And ooh fireworks. I'm sure there's tons of good stuff to go through first though. :D

Date: 2008-06-20 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
Oooo! Such a pretty icon! *grin*

Date: 2008-06-20 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com
Thanks! [livejournal.com profile] soylent_icons made it for me. :D

Date: 2008-06-20 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ai-ici-lover.livejournal.com
Wow, thank you for that Shout out and thank you's it's has been a real pleasure meeting you and other Fan writers here...and you and incandescens and Stark Black and the others I've read through Lj here ^_____^

Date: 2008-06-20 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liralen.livejournal.com
You're very welcome!

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